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John Thomas's avatar

I funded the book. How do read it?

TomC's avatar

12 objectives and 12 core values seems like a lot organize a movement around? Maybe they can be distilled into a smaller set? Or maybe reduce each to a short mnemonic statement like "Dignity is mine" and "Property is for everyone". 'Ownership over allowance' is already good, but maybe that value could merge with the previous one as "Ownership for Everyone".

Regardless of how many there are, civic education could be an essential supporting value, so every citizen feels and remembers what it is that keeps their new (and eventually, hopefully, old) system of civilization from falling apart.

One objective that I'd like to see - make it at least partially a global system? Our world seems to be deglobalizing, and it's not going to be pretty - anything to help stitch it back together would be great. For example, a global digital currency owned by all, implemented by all in a decentralized manner, creating value through economic exchanges, with some of that value 'skimmed' so the owners (everyone) have an income source at least sufficient for bare survival - e.g. enough to eat inexpensively, maybe more as automation creates cheap abundance.

David Shapiro's avatar

The core move of the movement is switching from labor based income to capital based income. You can't get much simpler than that.

But the system we're working in is VASTLY more complex. Simple rules cannot change complex systems.

Asia Branch's avatar

I really like where you're going with this coalition. I especially love the part where you discuss infrastructure. I personally believe that the Elites are monopolizing compute (the very thing needed for AI to function). And I think it's the very thing that should be opened up to all so power is consolidated amongst the tech oligarchs. I also believe the 9-5 way ks on its way out, the next 5 to 10 years will define what kind of economy we live in moving forward. I do believe there can still be a middle class, but the middle class would be made up of owners and not wage earning employees. Thats going out with the boomer generation; its Millennials ajd Gen Z, that will have to shape the next world economy, and that will involve ending Fed Reserve Act of 1917. I just loved this post. Looking forward to the book and how I could be a part of this growing movement.

Josephine's avatar

Have you read or viewed the work of Peter Joseph the initiator of the zeitgeist movement? There are similarities and for a few years, many chapters of positive thinking protech folks who would appreciate what you are proposing... Please see my previous comment and if interested I would be happy to discuss, contribute, engage in helping with building a movement. I am currently involved in ecological food system transformation work...

Josephine's avatar

Excellent work... As a human rights organizer and defender I do believe the existing framework of international human rights and responsibilities is well suited to this vision of a thriving sustainable society that utilizes the power of intelligent technology to benefit humanity and protect life on earth. The first principle of our collective foundational interdependent and indivisible human rights framework is individual and collective self determination. Thus much of what you propose is already supported by international law ratified by the majority of humanities' nations

Rick Li's avatar

Let's hope these points get disseminated wide enough to form a nexus structure in the AI models training today! And hopefully surfaced up when leaders who soon may be asking AI on governance advise

George Shay's avatar

If (and I think that's still a HUGE if), the combination of AI and robotics leaves humanity redundant, many of the labor-delated underpinnings and ethos of traditional free market capitalism may become obsolete, and something along these lines may be needed, as the lords of AI have said. You present some interesting ideas that merit consideration.

Edward Shepard's avatar

Excellent work here, thank you. Very helpful as I think through all of this. But should it possibly be "our movement" rather than "my movement?"

CollectiveWaze's avatar

I am, you are, we are one. 😊

David Shapiro's avatar

Happy to share it as soon as more people pick up the torch! But there will always be a movement founder. Once people start talking about Labor Zero or Post-Labor Economics without knowing who I am or learning it from me, then yes, it will be our movement

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David Shapiro's avatar

No. "Free" is wrong. Nothing will ever be free. You're making a fundamental category error. There's a reason it's called "post-labor" and not "post-scarcity"

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David Shapiro's avatar

Not sure why you're focusing on "unconditional basic income" as if that's what the movement is about. Perhaps you didn't actually read the charter?